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cliff is just a minor blip with you in the long run they actually won a large chunk of what they've been after? >> we're going to have to see what is the impact in the the days ahead. can the republicans somehow turn that around? they certainly, inside the white house believe just the opposite because they believe that john boehner was sort of out maneuvered here, he had been pressing the president, pressing the president for some of his issues and what boehner may have forgotten is at the end of the day if there's no action by the congress, all of the bush tax rates are expiring, so the president is going to get what he's wanted in this debate all along, which is that taxes are going up on the rich and-- >> the president's outmaneuvered the republicans from the very beginning on this. >> ed doesn't have to answer that question. >> and kimberly, we're going to give you the last question, before we go to mike emanuel. >> i have a civilized question for mr. henry. >> and civilized-- >> my goodness, bob. >> it sounds worse than the negotiations on the hill. >> it's worse, thank goodnes
cliff is just a minor blip with you in the long run they actually won a large chunk of what they've been after? >> we're going to have to see what is the impact in the the days ahead. can the republicans somehow turn that around? they certainly, inside the white house believe just the opposite because they believe that john boehner was sort of out maneuvered here, he had been pressing the president, pressing the president for some of his issues and what boehner may have forgotten is at...
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what we're doing here, we are not going to offset the fiscal cliff, just doing the bush tax cuts. we'll only take away about 11%, 12% of total economic impact of the so-called fiscal cliff, all of the policies brought together because you'll be letting the payroll tax expire, the refundable tax cuts expire, and the sequester will be doing and we won't be doing much deficit reduction. we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of congressional failure around this issue. >> well, let's talk about what exactly is likely to happen or is the threat of what will happen. talk about the pentagon. talk about federal workers. talk about obviously the unemploy unemployed whose benefits are going away. >> absolutely. the biggest -- the most dangerous thing, the fiscal cliff is the unemployment insurance. if we go over for a month we can sort of trick everything else. we can -- the irs can do some tricks to make it so you don't feel tax increases quickly. we can do tricks to make it so we don't lay off people at pentagon, we can furlough th
what we're doing here, we are not going to offset the fiscal cliff, just doing the bush tax cuts. we'll only take away about 11%, 12% of total economic impact of the so-called fiscal cliff, all of the policies brought together because you'll be letting the payroll tax expire, the refundable tax cuts expire, and the sequester will be doing and we won't be doing much deficit reduction. we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of...
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nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make $175,000 a year. you get vacation days off. they go back and smoke cigars, eat steak, drink wine and laugh. >> andrea: is there something wrong with eating and drinking? if with pay them to do it. >> eric: they want to hit the buffet line. >> andrea: do it on their own time. not when the country is in a financial crisis. i think obama gets a superhero cape after this. >> andrea: people say republican goes down either way on this. but the house and the senate, this last election by blaming republicans. does he think he will get blamed for this? no. he figures i can do whatever i want. leave the republicans out for dead. >> eric: he is winning the messaging game. that is clear. >> andrea: i say that with confidence. he was able to say look, i was willing to meet them halfway. more than 50%. they don't want to work with us together. he is coming off strong, comin
nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make $175,000 a year. you get vacation days off. they go back and smoke cigars, eat steak, drink wine and laugh. >> andrea: is there something wrong with eating and drinking? if with pay them to do it. >> eric: they want to hit the buffet line. >> andrea: do it on their own time. not when the...
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draws closer and closer to that fiscal cliff. the defense department is facing billions in budget cuts. how a furlough could affect civilian employees in the u.s. and around the world. oh, hey mike. what are you up to? oh, just diagramming this accident with my state farm pocket agent app. you can also get a quote and pay your premium with this thing. i thought state farm didn't have all those apps? where did you hear that? the internet. and you believed it? yeah. they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true. where did you hear that? [ both ] the internet. oh look. here comes my date. i met him on the internet. he's a french model. uh, bonjour. [ male announcer ] state farm. more mobile than ever. get to a better state. he loves risk. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba diving the great barrier reef with sharks, or jumping into the market, he goes with people he trusts, which is why he trades with a company that doesn't nickel and dime him with hidden fees. so he can worry about other things, like what the market
draws closer and closer to that fiscal cliff. the defense department is facing billions in budget cuts. how a furlough could affect civilian employees in the u.s. and around the world. oh, hey mike. what are you up to? oh, just diagramming this accident with my state farm pocket agent app. you can also get a quote and pay your premium with this thing. i thought state farm didn't have all those apps? where did you hear that? the internet. and you believed it? yeah. they can't put anything on the...
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timtime to take down the verbal warfare and cut a deal sparing the fallout of the fiscal cliff. gerri: can we get anything with any meaning before the end of the year? >> not get your hopes up on a big deal on the debt. not too many tax increases, some will be in there. avoiding the sequester, the spending cuts, that is the best thing that could happen at this point and i'm pretty optimistic person, i get up every morning thinking good things will happen but this is causing me to drink every night so i did not know if i will get there or not. gerri: you glass half-full kind of guy. i hope your champagne glasses more than half full on new year's. have a good one. while the chances of lawmakers reaching a deal seemed to be slim to none, you'll be glad to know some state lawmakers will% be warned though much more productive. here are some of our favorites. let's start with illinois. starting in 2013 and new law gives motorcyclists be okay to run red lights. leave it or not. after complaints from cyclist who say light sensors don't see the cycles. and the okay for computer-driven ca
timtime to take down the verbal warfare and cut a deal sparing the fallout of the fiscal cliff. gerri: can we get anything with any meaning before the end of the year? >> not get your hopes up on a big deal on the debt. not too many tax increases, some will be in there. avoiding the sequester, the spending cuts, that is the best thing that could happen at this point and i'm pretty optimistic person, i get up every morning thinking good things will happen but this is causing me to drink...
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there's also a series of spending cuts that will also be triggered by the fiscal cliff. $1.2 trillion in sequestration will kick in beginning january 2nd. next year alone, $109 billion will be slashed. half from the defense budget and half from nondefense spending. the so-called doc fix would also go away, reducing medicare payments to doctors by 27%. and finally, unemployment benefits will run out for more than 2 million americans who have lost their jobs. benefits will only be available for up to 26 weeks, a drastic reduction from the 73 weeks available to some out-of-work americans. i want to go to sam stein, but first, dr. sachs, if we go over the cliff, it is the poor americans who will be hit the hardest, correct? >> well, there are parts of that where the poor will be hit the hardest. but if we make a deal right now of the kind that's being talked about, it's going to gut the federal budget for a decade to come. so we're on the brink either of these difficulties right now, which are real, or making terrible decisions that are going to lock us into a situation that we absolutely
there's also a series of spending cuts that will also be triggered by the fiscal cliff. $1.2 trillion in sequestration will kick in beginning january 2nd. next year alone, $109 billion will be slashed. half from the defense budget and half from nondefense spending. the so-called doc fix would also go away, reducing medicare payments to doctors by 27%. and finally, unemployment benefits will run out for more than 2 million americans who have lost their jobs. benefits will only be available for...
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obama making remarks about the fiscal cliff aired it earlier today. he put much of the blame on shoulders of the republicans if no deal is reached. the gop fired back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. correspondent s henry is live from the white house. >> he is frustrated going on a talk show today in the middle of the negotiations. he has not been on one of the programs since 2009. he felt it was important to get the message out there. you are right he was pounding the same message again and again f. we go up the fiscal cliff for not meeting them halfway. >>> not because democrats and congre congre congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate but i think it has been hard for speaker boehner and republican mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest should go up a little bit sweas well as a deficit reduction package. if they can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation to make sure the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >> republicans are expressing frustration sa
obama making remarks about the fiscal cliff aired it earlier today. he put much of the blame on shoulders of the republicans if no deal is reached. the gop fired back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. correspondent s henry is live from the white house. >> he is frustrated going on a talk show today in the middle of the negotiations. he has not been on one of the programs since 2009. he felt it was important to get the message out there. you are right he was...
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at the bottom of the fiscal cliff are immediate and massive tax increases, deep and indiscriminate spending cuts, and a risk of another recession. if we come down on the final hours -- we have to bang choices -- to do nothing and cause an unbelievable amount of hardship for our fellow americans, or to do something to reduce the suffering inflicted on our citizens by an inflexible political system. mr. president, i choose to do something. today i am introducing the act -- the cliff alleviation at the last minute act. the act would do three important things. it will soften the financial blow the fiscal cliff, it will colmar financial markets, it gives us the certainty of a plan. it allows us, if we ever find the courage, to pursue the fiscal grand bargain that has eluded us so far. the financial markets are watching us and getting warmer -- nervous by the hour. we need to assure the market will of making good financial decisions. this bill is not something i'm excited about or proud to offer. this is not a great plan but merely a better plan been going over the cliff. it should never have com
at the bottom of the fiscal cliff are immediate and massive tax increases, deep and indiscriminate spending cuts, and a risk of another recession. if we come down on the final hours -- we have to bang choices -- to do nothing and cause an unbelievable amount of hardship for our fellow americans, or to do something to reduce the suffering inflicted on our citizens by an inflexible political system. mr. president, i choose to do something. today i am introducing the act -- the cliff alleviation...
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that we don't want to inflict on you, but would have to by the design of the fiscal cliff, that oh, by the way, we created a year and a half ago. they actually couldn't get the social security cuts through this time. but republicans have promised and obama will probably be happy to go along with it that in the next few months they're going to you know, take another crack at "entitlement reform." but i think that whether or not this deal ends up being a good one for -- for democrats, depends on whether or not the president holds firm in the commitment he made. that he will refuse to negotiate on the debt ceiling. he is saying forget it. i'm not even going to talk about it. i don't care what you want to give me to raise the debt ceiling, i don't care what you want about the debt ceiling, i'm not going to touch the debt ceiling. now what does that mean? does that mean he is going to pay the debts even if the republicans don't raise the debt ceiling. we don't know, but he has insisted, both in private and with his staff in his public statements and in private with others that this is a
that we don't want to inflict on you, but would have to by the design of the fiscal cliff, that oh, by the way, we created a year and a half ago. they actually couldn't get the social security cuts through this time. but republicans have promised and obama will probably be happy to go along with it that in the next few months they're going to you know, take another crack at "entitlement reform." but i think that whether or not this deal ends up being a good one for -- for democrats,...
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. >> next, we will hear from members of congress about negotiations regarding the fiscal cliff today. harry reid followed by johnson -- john thune. >> thank you. i was gratified to hear the cuts are off the table. they should never have been on the table to begin with. there is still significant difference between the two sides. negotiations continue. we intend to continue negotiations. we will come in at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. we will have further announcements. i hope so. >> next, talking about the fiscal cliff. john thune. >> thank you for the update. midafternoon today, senator john thune spoke with reporters on where things stand on the fiscal cliff. >> where do things stand as far as a republican deal? >> republicans advanced a proposal last night and you heard senator mcconnell talk about it on the floor. we're still waiting for a counteroffer. there was an indication we would receive the by 10:00 this morning, but discussions still continue. senator mcconnell and vice president joe biden are continuing to discuss this and we think there still could be a path forward. dem
. >> next, we will hear from members of congress about negotiations regarding the fiscal cliff today. harry reid followed by johnson -- john thune. >> thank you. i was gratified to hear the cuts are off the table. they should never have been on the table to begin with. there is still significant difference between the two sides. negotiations continue. we intend to continue negotiations. we will come in at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. we will have further announcements. i hope so....
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a while have held the upper hand on these fiscal cliff negotiations because what is it all mean? this is about taxes for democrats, and the bush tax cuts expire at the end of this year, and, look, they are saying republicans are going to come back and say we don't want taxes to go up for those, you know, making less than $250,000 a year or more, so they will come back at the beginning of the year and propose something that can get done. you heard chuck schumer who happens to be reid's top lieutenant say the same thing on "meet the press" last week, so i think that that's what democrats see as their leverage and their fallback. now, republicans see the debt ceiling as their leverage which is a tricky game. >> we're hearing that vice president joe biden has been linked to the negotiations. what do you think his role is in all of this, and why do you think he's being called in now? >> well, mitch mcconnell, a top republican aide told me, picked up the phone and called joe biden because they felt like these talks were going nowhere, that they hadn't heard back from harry reid and dec
a while have held the upper hand on these fiscal cliff negotiations because what is it all mean? this is about taxes for democrats, and the bush tax cuts expire at the end of this year, and, look, they are saying republicans are going to come back and say we don't want taxes to go up for those, you know, making less than $250,000 a year or more, so they will come back at the beginning of the year and propose something that can get done. you heard chuck schumer who happens to be reid's top...
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cliff is just an early battle in a war that democrats are going to win" where do you think republicans went wrong? >> well, you know, the problem for republicans i think isn't so much a tactical decision they made but isn't acknowledging where public opinion is. the reason democrats have the upperhand isn't just because the policy they want sort of happens automatically. all the tax cuts including the tax cuts for the wealthy expire on january 1. so that is sort of a short term advantage. these programs, medicare, social security are incredibly popular. cutting them is unpopular. republicans' basic agenda is to cut them. some want to cut them or reform them for totally good reasons that costs are rising over time and as the population ages they take up more and more of the economy and more government spending. they are at a strategic disadvantage which is they want to cut programs that are incredib incredibly popular. anytime you are set against the consensus of public opinion it is a difficult course. you have to acknowledge that reality. as long as obama and democrats have that they
cliff is just an early battle in a war that democrats are going to win" where do you think republicans went wrong? >> well, you know, the problem for republicans i think isn't so much a tactical decision they made but isn't acknowledging where public opinion is. the reason democrats have the upperhand isn't just because the policy they want sort of happens automatically. all the tax cuts including the tax cuts for the wealthy expire on january 1. so that is sort of a short term...
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we have hours go before the fiscal cliff deadline when dramatic increases and spending cuts kick in. congressional leaders and vice president biden are struggling to avoid the fiscal cliff. those negotiations continue this morning. nancy cordes is on capitol hill. nancy, good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, norah. they have appeared to move closer to one another. democrats have come way up from the president's longstanding position that the bush tax cuts should expire for all household income over $250,000 a year. republicans have come way down from speaker boehner's insistence that that limit be set at a million dollars. and so if there's a deal today, and that's a big "if," you can expect it would be set around $400,000, $500,000, $600,000 a year, so certainly 90, 95% of americans would be keeping their tax cut. one of the biggest sticking points for the republicans right now appears that this deal doesn't include significant spending cuts. in fact, it contain as lot of new spending and so that is one major issue that's going to have to be ironed out. and if they don't g
we have hours go before the fiscal cliff deadline when dramatic increases and spending cuts kick in. congressional leaders and vice president biden are struggling to avoid the fiscal cliff. those negotiations continue this morning. nancy cordes is on capitol hill. nancy, good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, norah. they have appeared to move closer to one another. democrats have come way up from the president's longstanding position that the bush tax cuts should expire for all...
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still question lines before we get to the finish line and avert the fiscal cliff. in two months, the voice president told democrats behind closed doors, there will be a donnybrook in vintage biden speak when we talk about the mandatory spending cuts that they delayed to the end of february. >> thank you so much. we'll be back in a moment with continuing coverage of negotiations on the fiscal cliff, please stay with us. the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their buddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [ cheering ] any flight, anytime. the scoreboard doesn't lie. what's in your wallet? hut! i have me on my fantasy team. like gas station sushi. or super cheap car insurance. and then there are good decisions. like esurance. their coverage counselor helps you choose the right coverage for you at a great price. [ stomach growls ] esurance. now backed by alls
still question lines before we get to the finish line and avert the fiscal cliff. in two months, the voice president told democrats behind closed doors, there will be a donnybrook in vintage biden speak when we talk about the mandatory spending cuts that they delayed to the end of february. >> thank you so much. we'll be back in a moment with continuing coverage of negotiations on the fiscal cliff, please stay with us. the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip....
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to avoid the looming fiscal cliff. with five days until major spending cuts kick in and taxes go up on everybody, the white house says president obama made separate phone calls to the senate leaders, harry reid, and john boehner. that was last night before the president took air force one from hawaii to washington. molly is live for us at the white house. update us on the next move from the obama administration. >> despite the phone calls that the president made before he left hawaii, he spoke to top democrats and republicans and no negotiation meetings have been set. at least not formally or public limit there's nothing set yet between all the sides to discuss this. the president's back in washington after he cut short vacation to get back to the white house for possible last minute fiscal cliff talks leaving his wife and daughters in hawaii. the vice president is scheduled to be here today for meetings. don't forget the obama administration and congress have the debt ceiling hanging over them. the u.s. set to hit the
to avoid the looming fiscal cliff. with five days until major spending cuts kick in and taxes go up on everybody, the white house says president obama made separate phone calls to the senate leaders, harry reid, and john boehner. that was last night before the president took air force one from hawaii to washington. molly is live for us at the white house. update us on the next move from the obama administration. >> despite the phone calls that the president made before he left hawaii, he...
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to push our economy back into the recession if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> but ali, neither side is budging much. you have been reporting on it for the last couple of hours. friday though, president obama said that he was optimistic that the two sides could reach a deal. this morning, he sounded less positive though. >> if, you know, if people start seeing that on january 1st, this problem still has not been solved, that we haven't seen the kind of deficit reduction that we could have had, had the republicans been willing to take the deal they gave them, and if they say that people's taxes have gone up which means consumer spending will go down. >> and keep in mind that the senate is the first hurdle. any deal has to pass the house. we are not into the senate yet and the republican speaker john boehner plablamed the crisis one president saying he the one who has never found a way to say yes. >> so you are in new york and i'm in atlanta, and we get to washington now, because the senior congressional correspondent dana bash is closely following the negotiations from capitol hill, a
to push our economy back into the recession if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> but ali, neither side is budging much. you have been reporting on it for the last couple of hours. friday though, president obama said that he was optimistic that the two sides could reach a deal. this morning, he sounded less positive though. >> if, you know, if people start seeing that on january 1st, this problem still has not been solved, that we haven't seen the kind of deficit reduction that we...
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because at the bottom of the fiscal cliff, our our -- are immediate and massive tax increases, deep and indiscriminate spending cuts and the risk of another recession. so as we come down on the final hours, we have two choices -- to do nothing and cause an unbelievable amount of hardship for our fellow americans or to do something to reduce the suffering inflicted on our citizens by an inflexible political system. mr. president, i choose to do mething, so today i'm introducing the calm act which stands for the cliff alleviation at the last minute act. the calm act will do three important things. it will soften the financial blow of the fiscal cliff. it will calm our financial markets. it gives us the certainty of a plan now but allows us if we ever find the courage to pursue the fiscal grand barga that has eluded us so far. make no mistake, the financial markets are watching us, and they're getting more nervous by the hour. we need to reassure them that we are capable of making big financial decisions. this bill, the calm act, is not something that i'm excited about or proud to offe
because at the bottom of the fiscal cliff, our our -- are immediate and massive tax increases, deep and indiscriminate spending cuts and the risk of another recession. so as we come down on the final hours, we have two choices -- to do nothing and cause an unbelievable amount of hardship for our fellow americans or to do something to reduce the suffering inflicted on our citizens by an inflexible political system. mr. president, i choose to do mething, so today i'm introducing the calm act...
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thank you. >> thank you. >>> are retail sales diving off the fiscal cliff? we'll talk about how the tax cut debate is impacting the recent christmas shopping economy. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost.. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid card. spends like cash. feels like membership. >>> senator mike crapo is apologizing for his drunk driving arrest. he said, quoetd, i'm deeply sorry for the actions that resulted in this circumstance. i made a mistake for which i apologi
thank you. >> thank you. >>> are retail sales diving off the fiscal cliff? we'll talk about how the tax cut debate is impacting the recent christmas shopping economy. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save...
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so they always say it's the other guy who wants to go over the fiscal cliff. i don't hear people going out and saying i think it's a good idea that everyone pays more taxes or there are these deep spending cuts. they're all pretending like they know everyone else's strategy. it's about coming to a yes as opposed to agreeing to a no. that's where they don't want to take the heat. >> richard wolf, always good to see you, my friend. thanks. >> thanks, chris. >> the real victims of the fight will not necessarily be republicans or democrats, of course. it's going to be the american people. we talked to bernie sanders about those 2.1 million people on unemployment. we'll look at what going over the fiscal cliff will actually mean to you. our special coverage continues in just a moment. ♪ [ male announcer ] every time you say no to a cigarette, you celebrate a little win. nicoderm cq, the patch with time release smart control technology that acts fast and helps control cravings all day long. ♪ quit one day at a time with nicoderm cq. >>> welcome back to msnbc's c
so they always say it's the other guy who wants to go over the fiscal cliff. i don't hear people going out and saying i think it's a good idea that everyone pays more taxes or there are these deep spending cuts. they're all pretending like they know everyone else's strategy. it's about coming to a yes as opposed to agreeing to a no. that's where they don't want to take the heat. >> richard wolf, always good to see you, my friend. thanks. >> thanks, chris. >> the real victims...
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. >>> right off the top, breaking news from capitol hill, just two hours from the fiscal cliff deadline the white house has reached adeal with congressional republicans. which thanks for joining us tonight. i'm maureen umeh. the deal would delay harsh spending cut for two months, but it appears the house will not vote before tonight's midnight deadline. >> we'll continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending, but let's not let that hold up protecting americans from the tax hike that will take place. we can do this. we must do this. >> reporter: though it is down to the wire. >> it's december the 31st! january 1st is tomorrow, 2013, taxes go up. >> reporter: a frustrated senator john kuhn said the senate should have acted months ago to keep the economy from going off the fiscal cliff. >> i just find it really hard to sit and listen to people come up now and wring their hands and talk about gee whiz, you know, i really hope we can get something done here in the last day as we put two people together basically to resolve this. >> reporter: the two people were senate republican le
. >>> right off the top, breaking news from capitol hill, just two hours from the fiscal cliff deadline the white house has reached adeal with congressional republicans. which thanks for joining us tonight. i'm maureen umeh. the deal would delay harsh spending cut for two months, but it appears the house will not vote before tonight's midnight deadline. >> we'll continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending, but let's not let that hold up protecting americans from the...
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in the fiscal cliff could slow economic growth by a half a percentage point and send unemployment up to 9.1% over the course of 2013. the nonpartisan tax policy center calculate that is the average middle class family would see its tax rates -- its tax bills rise next year by $2,000. the fiscal cliff isn't the only thing rattling the economy. in just a few weeks lawmakers will begin battling over the debt ceiling. you may recall that in the summer of 2011 the debt limit standoff led to the first ever downgrade of the nation's credit rating. joining us now from capitol hill is cnbc's aman jabbers. appreciate you helping us make sense of all of this. >> happy new year. thank you for having me. >> on a less happy note, there are economists who are saying this whole fight over the fiscal cliff, the rangeling in washington has already caused a hit on the economy. can you explain sort of what the impact of the debate has been. >> you dw definitely seen it. ju as early as friday when we report that the president was not making his new offer with offers down at the white house. we saw the st
in the fiscal cliff could slow economic growth by a half a percentage point and send unemployment up to 9.1% over the course of 2013. the nonpartisan tax policy center calculate that is the average middle class family would see its tax rates -- its tax bills rise next year by $2,000. the fiscal cliff isn't the only thing rattling the economy. in just a few weeks lawmakers will begin battling over the debt ceiling. you may recall that in the summer of 2011 the debt limit standoff led to the...
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cliff would bring massive increases and deep spending cuts treasury department would have treble paying its bills. many -- many worry it would plunge the u.s. back into a recession. one possible effect of the fiscal cliff, milk prices could spike two or three dollars a gallon because farm programs will expire the end of the year. some are calling that dairy cliff. wendy gillette, abc news, new york. >>> mike jing us with a look at the -- mike joining us with a look at the forecast, more rain on the way? >>> in due time we'll get light rain not this morning high clouds to the east from sutro tower in san francisco where dry now live doppler 7 hd spinning tracking the showers, the rain i should say as it is developing over the ocean water right now let's see how far that is, 41 miles from santa rosa, 51 from san francisco, under the returns, very dry air, sprinkles at best lieu the 30s, just updated these the entire peninsula, upper 30s only 40s left, half moon bay 41, oakland 42, san francisco 44. everybody else mid to upper 30s. 33 gilroy. 40 salinas. cool start today, light rain by the
cliff would bring massive increases and deep spending cuts treasury department would have treble paying its bills. many -- many worry it would plunge the u.s. back into a recession. one possible effect of the fiscal cliff, milk prices could spike two or three dollars a gallon because farm programs will expire the end of the year. some are calling that dairy cliff. wendy gillette, abc news, new york. >>> mike jing us with a look at the -- mike joining us with a look at the forecast,...
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fiscal cliff talks are stalling. tax hikes and spending cuts. president obama said to speak in about 30 minutes from now. shibani: stocks are holding their ground. waiting for some sort of news out of washington. the dow sitting at session highs. at least we are closing. ashley: it changes with every headline. the world ringing in the new year. new zealand, australia, japan, china, we will get a sneak preview of celebrations being planned as times square gets prepared for 1 million visitors. it is a complete nightmare. [ laughter ] ashley: time now for stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. we are up 51 points. not too bad on this last trading day of the year. >> that is right. the dow has been pretty flat. going back and forth between the red and green. the nasdaq is up 30. same goes for the s&p stock of about nine points. we are also watching a settlement between u.s. regulators and about a dozen banks. sources tell the "new york times" that 14 banks include tank of america, wells fargo and jpmorgan chase. we are taking a look at those stocks.
fiscal cliff talks are stalling. tax hikes and spending cuts. president obama said to speak in about 30 minutes from now. shibani: stocks are holding their ground. waiting for some sort of news out of washington. the dow sitting at session highs. at least we are closing. ashley: it changes with every headline. the world ringing in the new year. new zealand, australia, japan, china, we will get a sneak preview of celebrations being planned as times square gets prepared for 1 million visitors. it...
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>> no vote tonight on the fiscal cliff. what are the chances of lawmakers cobbling a compromise tomorrow? would real pain start to hit everyone in the form of tax hikes and spending cuts? what other options do lawmakers have as a last resort. steven moore joins us from washington. steven is a senior economics writer with "the wall street journal." he writes op-eds. he's involved in the opinion pages. he's also a co-founder of the organization called club for growth, which has really been at the forefront of fighting tax increases across the board. so, you know, sometimes, steven, on tv we talk about grover norquist and a lot of people really don't like him. you think grover has the right idea. you have colleague es in the senate, in the house of representatives. we have talked about this endlessly for many months and we both sort of went into the last few days thinking they'll get a deal, they'll do it. it will increase some tacks on the rich and we'll figure out a number. i think both of us put forward it would be $500,000
>> no vote tonight on the fiscal cliff. what are the chances of lawmakers cobbling a compromise tomorrow? would real pain start to hit everyone in the form of tax hikes and spending cuts? what other options do lawmakers have as a last resort. steven moore joins us from washington. steven is a senior economics writer with "the wall street journal." he writes op-eds. he's involved in the opinion pages. he's also a co-founder of the organization called club for growth, which has...
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. >>> we are also keeping a close eye on the looming fiscal cliff. the deadline for across the board tax increases and deep spending cuts is just four days away. president obama is scheduled to meet with congressional leaders at the white house this afternoon. senate majority leader harry reid says the likelihood of reaching a deal is a long shot. but senator charles schumer told the "today" show that the odds are better than people think. if a deal were to pass, senate house speaker john boehner would have to agree to take it to the floor of the republican controlled house. danielle nottingham has more. >> reporter: president obama is meeting today at the white house with top congressional democrats harry reid and nancy pelosi and leading republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. it's the president's first meeting with congressional leaders since november 16th. the closed door discussions are an attempt to reach a last- minute agreement to avoid automatic spending cuts and tax increases due to kick in on january 1st. >> probably the worst case s
. >>> we are also keeping a close eye on the looming fiscal cliff. the deadline for across the board tax increases and deep spending cuts is just four days away. president obama is scheduled to meet with congressional leaders at the white house this afternoon. senate majority leader harry reid says the likelihood of reaching a deal is a long shot. but senator charles schumer told the "today" show that the odds are better than people think. if a deal were to pass, senate house...
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the payroll tax is one of the components of the fiscal cliff. as the article points out, most of the discussions and plants have not involved in extending that to read what that means is, the first paycheck in january, federal withholding for social security will increase and take- home pay will drop by about 2%. host: from what you have seen and heard of the negotiations going on back and forth between the white house and senate and house, what other items are you most concerned about regarding how going over the cliff will affect the average american? guest: most of the discussion thus far has focused on the individual income tax provision that for the most part had been in affect for the past 10 years or so. one aspect of the fiscal cliff does not actually -- is not about 2013 taxes. but it still left over business from 2012. congress has not yet enacted its annual fixed to the alternative minimum tax. if no action is taken, and a lot of people have probably not even heard of the alternative minimum tax. it would insnare more than 30 million
the payroll tax is one of the components of the fiscal cliff. as the article points out, most of the discussions and plants have not involved in extending that to read what that means is, the first paycheck in january, federal withholding for social security will increase and take- home pay will drop by about 2%. host: from what you have seen and heard of the negotiations going on back and forth between the white house and senate and house, what other items are you most concerned about...
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is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from rising. >> arthel: to other stories. a judge ordering a psychiatric evaluation for a woman suspected of shoving a man off a new york public is way platform. he was arraigned last night on murder and hate crime. she confessed to pushing a man in front of a moving train telling them, i hindus and muslims. co-worker was was behind due. >> gregg: two missing boys from georgia have been found in texas an amber alert was issued, ages nine and seven when they didn't come back from a visit from their dad on wednesday. somebody recognized the trio and caught up with them in austin. now their father is fac
is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from rising. >> arthel: to...
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it's not a good fiscal cliff deal if it give morse tax cuts to 2% and sets the stage for, in his words, quote, hostage-taking. he is voicing the concern that because the taxes only apply or go up on those making $400,000 or more and $450,000 if you're a couple, that essentially it's not hitting enough people. and he is voicing the concern that there might be deep cuts. so there is some pressure coming from the left for democrats to not necessarily accept the deal that is on the table. now, we saw president obama come out earlier today and talk about the fact that look, this isn't a perfect deal. this represents compromise on all sides. part of the reason you saw president obama come out today is not only to pressure republicans, but also to pressure democrats to get the deal done before this midnight deadline that is now so close and that is fast approaching. so there is some opposition that is being voiced from the left. could this impact the decision of some senate democrats? we'll have to wait and see, certainly. but, of course, when these deals come together, there are a lot of dis
it's not a good fiscal cliff deal if it give morse tax cuts to 2% and sets the stage for, in his words, quote, hostage-taking. he is voicing the concern that because the taxes only apply or go up on those making $400,000 or more and $450,000 if you're a couple, that essentially it's not hitting enough people. and he is voicing the concern that there might be deep cuts. so there is some pressure coming from the left for democrats to not necessarily accept the deal that is on the table. now, we...
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cliff. he said he is moderately optimistic that a deal could be done by december 31. congressional leaders are working on crafting a bill. certainly no grand bargain here that would improve entitlements. if they can't get a deal, the president has told harry reid to put the white house proposals up for an up or down vote. the details just keep on coming out. with us now are two guests. first, we are going to go rich edson. he is here with the very latest. tell us what you made of the president's comments. he was very direct. reporter: he was. d now he passes on to the senate. senate majory leader harry reid, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. they are trying to come up with something that can pass the house and the senate. the president laid out a proposal earlier this evening. at the beginning of this meeting. $250,000 per year. that income would be shielded from tax increases, and now he wants an extension of unemployment insurance. that is something that essentially a nonstarter in a
cliff. he said he is moderately optimistic that a deal could be done by december 31. congressional leaders are working on crafting a bill. certainly no grand bargain here that would improve entitlements. if they can't get a deal, the president has told harry reid to put the white house proposals up for an up or down vote. the details just keep on coming out. with us now are two guests. first, we are going to go rich edson. he is here with the very latest. tell us what you made of the...
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a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. in ten days across h board-spends cuts take effect. >>> if president obama and congress fails to reach an agreement the price of milk could lead sharply. john blackstone reports. >> who wants milk? >> me. >> me. >> me. >> reporter: with four children the rasmussen family in california drinks about five gallons a week on milk. if congress doesn't pass the bill, i would cost him $106. >> they have to have their milk. we might have to cut elsewhere. >> reporter: back then the process was more laborious and farmers needed a higher subsidy to cover their costs. dan sumner says the new price of milk will with far above what it now costs dairy farmers to produce it. >> it really will be chaos. >> reporter: so we would go back to this old farm bill which would force the government to buy milk at an extremely high price. >> that's right. >> reporter: this could be a windfall for dairy farmers. >> here's the problem. they don't want chaos. it sounds good, everybody will double or about triple t
a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. in ten days across h board-spends cuts take effect. >>> if president obama and congress fails to reach an agreement the price of milk could lead sharply. john blackstone reports. >> who wants milk? >> me. >> me. >> me. >> reporter: with four children the rasmussen family in california drinks about five gallons a week on milk. if congress doesn't pass the bill, i would cost him $106. >> they have to have...
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do they want to go off the fiscal cliff? go to facebook.com/newsnation to vote. that does it for us. i'm craig melvin in for tamron hall. "the cycle" up next and go skins. new years clutter is no match for someone with big ideas. with a new project in mind, some how-to knowledge to give us an edge, and more savings down every aisle. it only takes a few twists and turns for those bright ideas to make the new year even brighter. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. start fresh and save with hdx 20 gallon totes, a special buy at just $5.88 a piece.
do they want to go off the fiscal cliff? go to facebook.com/newsnation to vote. that does it for us. i'm craig melvin in for tamron hall. "the cycle" up next and go skins. new years clutter is no match for someone with big ideas. with a new project in mind, some how-to knowledge to give us an edge, and more savings down every aisle. it only takes a few twists and turns for those bright ideas to make the new year even brighter. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home...
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is just hours away from going over that fiscal cliff. without a deal before midnight, americans will be bringing in this new year with sweeping tax hikes and swing -- a tactic -- and cuts. >> >> t . >> i hope that they can work together and realize that this is affecting everyone. >> both chambers will reconvene this morning at whichthat they k together and realize that this is affecting everyone. >> both chambers will reconvene this morning at which point, there are just 12 hours left until this deadline. >> whatboth chambers will recone this morning at which point, there are just 12 hours left until this deadline. >> what are lawmakers working on today? >> we understand that senator harry reid, the majority leader, will what are lawmakers workingn today? >> we understand that senator harry reid, the majority leader, will reintroduce the pre fiscal cliff, maryland would be hit hard with hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs lost. >> if america falls off that fiscal cliff, maryland would be hit hard with hundreds
is just hours away from going over that fiscal cliff. without a deal before midnight, americans will be bringing in this new year with sweeping tax hikes and swing -- a tactic -- and cuts. >> >> t . >> i hope that they can work together and realize that this is affecting everyone. >> both chambers will reconvene this morning at whichthat they k together and realize that this is affecting everyone. >> both chambers will reconvene this morning at which point, there...
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let's take a look at the so-called fiscal cliff. the bush tax cuts will expire. everyone, even republicans know if we go over the cliff, the bush tax cuts will be restored for at least 98% of americans. payroll taxes will go back to normal in 2013. the payroll tax cut was always intended to be a temporary measure. the alternative minimum tax would hit middle class americans. year after year, this has been fixed by lawmakers and like everything else notice fiscal cliff, it can be done retroactively. the harshest effects of spending cuts could be modified in the first month or two of 2013. in fact, the defense department, the irs and other government agencies are planning no immediate changes because they're anticipating some kind of deal. that leaves the unemployed, extended unemployment insurance will expire immediately if we go over the cliff. a deal later in january could theoretically restore extended benefits, the immediate damage will have already been done. for many people, this is all an interesting charade. but for the unemployed it's the real deal. get y
let's take a look at the so-called fiscal cliff. the bush tax cuts will expire. everyone, even republicans know if we go over the cliff, the bush tax cuts will be restored for at least 98% of americans. payroll taxes will go back to normal in 2013. the payroll tax cut was always intended to be a temporary measure. the alternative minimum tax would hit middle class americans. year after year, this has been fixed by lawmakers and like everything else notice fiscal cliff, it can be done...
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but avoiding the fiscal cliff is really not the goal here. cutting the deficit is. this is a case of gigantic political friendly fire in my view. we're targeting the wrong enemy. we should be targeting the deficit. >> i've read, dan, more carefully and it's extremely insightful. and one of the things that i take from you is that you're a markets guy who thinks about macro, and not just u.s. macro, but global macro. what i don't get about what you're saying now -- one thing i get very much about what you're saying now is a small deal doesn't solve anything except the immediate cliff problem and that's not the only problem we have. it's actually relatively minor, i agree with you. but if we engage in $500 billion fiscal contraction next year i think we're going to have a recession. as a guy who pays attention to macro, how does that help anybody? >> well, look, i actually -- one of the reasons i said, and it was a provocation of saying, the fiscal cliff, after the election, my view of where this was going was exactly where we are this morning. which is probably why yo
but avoiding the fiscal cliff is really not the goal here. cutting the deficit is. this is a case of gigantic political friendly fire in my view. we're targeting the wrong enemy. we should be targeting the deficit. >> i've read, dan, more carefully and it's extremely insightful. and one of the things that i take from you is that you're a markets guy who thinks about macro, and not just u.s. macro, but global macro. what i don't get about what you're saying now -- one thing i get very much...
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the white house says the president is cutting its vacation in hawaii short to deal with "fiscal cliff" negotiations. his focus, figure out a plan to avoid the huge spike in taxes and spending cuts set to take effect in 6 days. senate majority leader harry reid is believed to be crafting his own fiscal package including extending the bush- era tax cuts for households making less than $250,000. now, regardless of what happens with the "fiscal cliff," new taxes to help pay for the affordable healthcare act will take effect january 1. but the average american will not really see a difference in his bill to the irs. the wealthiest 2% of americans and the healthcare industry will pick up the majority of the tab. back to you. >> thank you. >>> now, ladies and gentlemen, time for the big story of the day. that is as per usual the weather and now the hardest working woman in showbiz. >> i have been working a lot lately. i know. yeah. the holidays, busy time. and if you are out and about traveling you know the rain has been a big issu the last few days. we'll get some brief dry breaks but we ha
the white house says the president is cutting its vacation in hawaii short to deal with "fiscal cliff" negotiations. his focus, figure out a plan to avoid the huge spike in taxes and spending cuts set to take effect in 6 days. senate majority leader harry reid is believed to be crafting his own fiscal package including extending the bush- era tax cuts for households making less than $250,000. now, regardless of what happens with the "fiscal cliff," new taxes to help pay for...
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defense sector facing major cuts if we do go over the fiscal cliff. how that industry will be affected if we don't get a deal today, we'll talk about that after the break. stay with us. any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. >>> they say the biggest priority is making sure we deal with the debt in a serious way. the way they're behaving is their only priority is making sure that tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. >> there's no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. the sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest, or frankly, the courage to close the deal. >> the deadline to get a deal done, steadily getting closer and closer. the defense industry wi
defense sector facing major cuts if we do go over the fiscal cliff. how that industry will be affected if we don't get a deal today, we'll talk about that after the break. stay with us. any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader...
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the fiscal cliff is defense cuts and high taxes welcome to the republican party. >> rational people say that's not a good thing to do. i would hope that robert and sober behavior before new year's eve would land like an alien rocketship in washington and get these people to the table. >> greg: alice, you are sane, i believe. what do you make of this? the point i'm trying to make is why are the democrats scared of the fiscal cliff when it defines basically their ultimate dream? the democrats are anxious. they are embracing the fiscal cliff. we got obamaened a democrats in the conservative thunder bird ready to put the pedal to the metal on the fiscal cliff. they can raise taxes. they can cut military spending and they can blame the g.o.p. when the g.o.p. is doing the smart thing here wanted pointing the finger at the real problem, which is out of control spending. fixing this problem is not going to be easy but it's not complicated. we can't rely on raising taxes. we have to focus on cutting spending. that's what republicans are doing. even more so with geithner pointing out warning us o
the fiscal cliff is defense cuts and high taxes welcome to the republican party. >> rational people say that's not a good thing to do. i would hope that robert and sober behavior before new year's eve would land like an alien rocketship in washington and get these people to the table. >> greg: alice, you are sane, i believe. what do you make of this? the point i'm trying to make is why are the democrats scared of the fiscal cliff when it defines basically their ultimate dream? the...
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. >> the president is cutting his hawaii vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. >> really, it's kind of like falling down stairs. we have a dysfunctional congress. >> speaker boehner needs to bring his party along. >> it's pretty clear that he could not bring them along. >> john boehner doesn't seem to have full control of his caucus. >> they were this close. >> the republicans will be blamed. >> they were this close to a solution. >> we're going to head over that cliff. >> i know it's hard for the republicans. the minute those leaders move forward, they get viscerated. >> guns shouldn't be available for anyone, any time, anywhere. >> the conversation still wages on. >> its plan to add more guns to schools. >> a completely dumb-ass idea. >> i don't think the nra is listening. >> you can call it whatever you want to call it. >> congress hasn't confirmed the director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. >> dysfunctional, dysfunctional, dysfunctional congress. >> we're not going to allow what has happened in the past to go on. >> congress has just three business days to
. >> the president is cutting his hawaii vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. >> really, it's kind of like falling down stairs. we have a dysfunctional congress. >> speaker boehner needs to bring his party along. >> it's pretty clear that he could not bring them along. >> john boehner doesn't seem to have full control of his caucus. >> they were this close. >> the republicans will be blamed. >> they were this close to a solution. >>...
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around the consequences of going over the fiscal cliff actually a democrat's dream? all that's missing are vegan lunches and yoga in classrooms. you have high taxes and defense cuts. you must be giddy good going over the cliff. >> not me, i don't want to go over the cliff. i have investments, i work for a living, and guess what? it would be absolutely traumatic for the american economy and the global economy and the recession is not exactly in the midst of a strong recovery. it's pretty weak, so i don't think it's good news for anybody and this is something that the press doesn't pay attention to, greg. i think that if obama has to start a second term with everybody saying, oh my gosh, the sky is falling, the economy is going to hell, then consumer confidence thinking, that's not good news for democrats, so why would you think it's good news for democrats? >> because you just sounded like a republican. >> oh sclop! get out of here. >> you're saying that hurts the party. welcome to the republican party. >> rags nam people say that's not a good thing to do. i would hop
around the consequences of going over the fiscal cliff actually a democrat's dream? all that's missing are vegan lunches and yoga in classrooms. you have high taxes and defense cuts. you must be giddy good going over the cliff. >> not me, i don't want to go over the cliff. i have investments, i work for a living, and guess what? it would be absolutely traumatic for the american economy and the global economy and the recession is not exactly in the midst of a strong recovery. it's pretty...
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and i think that the sh we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal, left wing agenda. it used to be considered a mainstream agenda. and it's something we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is ancation of, you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone where they can't even accept what used to be centrist mainstream positions on these issues. i'm an optimist. we try every other option before we finally do the right thing. after everything else is exhausted, we eventually do the right thing. and i think that's true for congress, as well. and i think it's important for americans to remember politics have always been messy. people have been asking me a lot about the film "lincoln" and -- >> is this your lincoln moment? >> well, no. look, i never compare myself to lincoln and, b, the magnitude of the issues are qui
and i think that the sh we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal, left wing agenda. it used to be considered a mainstream agenda. and it's something we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is ancation of, you know, how far certain factions inside...
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consumer confidence tumbled as the fiscal cliff nears, the consumer confidence index fell to 65 in december, the lowest level since august, last month it was at 71.5. economists say the decline is due to fears of sharp tax increases and government spending cuts set to take effect next week. barkley is considering a plan to change the face of downtown with the first high rise in that city in 40 years, a los angeles real estate group today submitted and application for the plan which calls for a 17 story luxury apartment complex on harold way by the downtown bart station. the plan includes a rooftop garden, conference center and four levels of underground parking. if approved the development would transform the block long harold way there in berkeley. the project is expected to face opposition from pest veryvationist. the developer wants to tear down the back of that. >>> former president george h.w. bush is in guarded condition at a houston hospital. a spokesman says he is alert talking with staff and surrounded by his family. he was moved to the intensive care unit on sunday and been in the
consumer confidence tumbled as the fiscal cliff nears, the consumer confidence index fell to 65 in december, the lowest level since august, last month it was at 71.5. economists say the decline is due to fears of sharp tax increases and government spending cuts set to take effect next week. barkley is considering a plan to change the face of downtown with the first high rise in that city in 40 years, a los angeles real estate group today submitted and application for the plan which calls for a...
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i understand even if they reach a deal on the fiscal cliff, there are already defense cuts that will hurt anyway. >> that's right. those decisions have been made. what's so disappointing about this deal being constructed here, and hopefully there is one, is the fact sequestration is not on the table. that is going to take place anyway. we look at the readiness of our forces and readiness is a word that describes the preparedness to fight effectively and that he is what americans should remember. we look at one, do we have the people, and are they qualified with the appropriate skill sets, enlisted and officer. do we have the repair parts and maintenance hours to fix the equipment that we have and then are we able to train effectively with that with the amount of hours and time needed to do that. all of that would be cut back significantly, so the readiness of this force, its ability to fight is what i'm saying, would go down markedly. and also there's going to be significant morale impact to the force because all of the services on bases would be cut to include repair and maintenance
i understand even if they reach a deal on the fiscal cliff, there are already defense cuts that will hurt anyway. >> that's right. those decisions have been made. what's so disappointing about this deal being constructed here, and hopefully there is one, is the fact sequestration is not on the table. that is going to take place anyway. we look at the readiness of our forces and readiness is a word that describes the preparedness to fight effectively and that he is what americans should...